RE: [vserver] shrink wrap it

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From: klavs klavsen (
Date: Sat Feb 09 2002 - 13:36:10 EST

Thank you John, for taking the time.

On Sat, 2002-02-09 at 15:33, John Lyons wrote:
> We were looking for something that would allow us to deliver dedicated
> server style hosting packages on a shared hosting platform. Ensim and
> FreeVSD were considered, Ensim was dismissed from day 1 as it's a paid for
> package. We couldn't compete with FreeBSD and FreeVSD hosts if we had to
> take a large software cost into account.
> I'd monitored the mailing list for FreeVSD for over 12 months and tried on
> many occasions to get it working over the last 12 months. I'm not an
> experienced sys admin, I've been using Linux servers for 3 years, I don't
> have a desktop Linux box but I do run 10 Linux servers quite well.
> My biggest worries with FreeVSD were:-
> What happens when FreeVSD needs upgrading to the next version, am I going to
> struggle?
> If the host server starts playing up am I going to be able to fix it?
> Do I understand enough about the nuts and bolts of FreeVSD to be able to
> trouble shoot if something goes wrong?
I get your worries. It shouldn't be so hard. It didn't look so hard to
me, but then again, the RPM's I downloaded didn't contain a kernel
patch, or even a kernel. But after what I've heard from you guys, and
seeing as I haven't gotten (almost) any response from freevsd
mailinglist, it does seem as freevsd is dying.

> I've read the documentation cover to cover and read most messages on the
> mailing list for 12 months. It may be that I'm just thick :) but I still
> don't fell confident with it. The answers to the above questions ruled out
> using it on a mission critical system.
> > I would very much like to know your purpose for using a product like
> > vserver, and what makes it the best for you.
> I installed vserver for the first time in Dec. It worked first time and I'd
> got a vserver running after 20 mins work and reading the docs. Problems
> like needing CAP_NET_RAW in the conf file were fixed after a quick mail to
> the mailing list, a big DOH!, & slap on the forehead. Within 48 hours of
> starting to use vserver I'd patched and compiled my first kernel, something
> I'd never dared to do before.
> What's most important is that there are examples in the documentation to
> explain what each addition to the kernel does. I understand how and why
> vserver works and with my limited knowledge and experience that's a good
> thing!
I agree.

> I now have two non production servers. One runs 5 live vs's the other backs
> them up to provide hardware failover. I'm 3 weeks into basic testing trials
> with 5 customer. A fuller scale trial starts with another 5 customers in 3
> weeks time after I hope to have upgraded both servers to ctx-10. In the next
> 4 to 8 weeks we're hoping that we'll have done enough testing to launch the
> vserver as the basis for a new hosting package. So far so good, no serious
> bugs found and all is going well.
sounds good. Nice to know.

> If you're a serious/experienced sys admin it'll take you 30 to 60 mins to
> down load and install vserver on a test machine and then you can get a feel
> for it. (I'd put money on you not being able to do that with FreeVSD)
well.. I've setup and administered,, (last 2
are biggest newspapers in DK - alone has approx 3 mill. pageviews
a week) and 17 other sites for the last 3 years :-) - does give you some
experience.I've just quit my job, to be an independant Open Source
Consultant.. having fun.

Do you know, if I can run OpenLDAP, Samba, Apache+php and MySQL on a

Klavs Klavsen

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